Joannis de Gutte
12 Aug 1418 JUL CALfriday JUL
| lat 44° 27' 0" | N 0°59' E
Moulins (?)
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natal 19h 55' 0"
lmt 19h 51' 4"
tu 19h 51' 4"
tsn 17h 52' 40"
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timezone
Equation of time 0h 2' 23"
ΔT 0h 4' 45"
source : M. Préaud, Les méthodes de travail d’un astrologue du xve siècle, Conrad Heingarter, thèse de l’École des chartes, Paris, 1969
From 1466, Conrad Heingarter from Zurich was the official doctor and astrologer of Duke John II of Bourbon (1426-1488), who also benefited from the occasional services of two of Conrad's colleagues, Antonio Chiapucin and Simon de Phares. But that did not prevent him from escaping many times from Moulins, where the court of Bourbon resided, from writing in Paris, in 1469, a nativity of Jean de La Goutte, governor general of finances of the duke.
Conrad places the Moon first at 12 degrees from Capricorn, this value probably corresponding to August 12, 1418 at noon; then he places it at 16 degrees from this sign, making the calculation for the precise time of the birth of Jean de La Goutte, that is to say 7 h 55 mm after noon. [Préaud, op cit]
From 1466, Conrad Heingarter from Zurich was the official doctor and astrologer of Duke John II of Bourbon (1426-1488), who also benefited from the occasional services of two of Conrad's colleagues, Antonio Chiapucin and Simon de Phares. But that did not prevent him from escaping many times from Moulins, where the court of Bourbon resided, from writing in Paris, in 1469, a nativity of Jean de La Goutte, governor general of finances of the duke.
Conrad places the Moon first at 12 degrees from Capricorn, this value probably corresponding to August 12, 1418 at noon; then he places it at 16 degrees from this sign, making the calculation for the precise time of the birth of Jean de La Goutte, that is to say 7 h 55 mm after noon. [Préaud, op cit]
Hyleg – alchocoden – domification REGIOMONTANUS,
ZODIACAL – MUNDANE
In our research, we hypothesized that the mundane chart alone should be considered; also we must base on the aspects taken in the semiarcs the research of the degrees likely to be considered in the duration of the life.
In the case of Joannis de Gutte we see the table below which allows us to estimate the breakdown of aspects between the different planets and the alchocoden.
When considering a theme, the first thing is to observe whether it is diurnal or nocturnal. In the case of Joannis de Gutte, it is NOCTURNAL.
In this case, the first point to check is MO. If MO is well disposed, it can claim 1st stage to be HYLEG.
MO is D and therefore seems weak, with a dignity score of -3,
Moreover, when we look for the dignities that appear in the zodiacal inscription of MO, we find none.
We'll see later what we get when we search for mundane dignities.
Now that we doubt to take MO as hyleg, we are left with the choice of ASC and that of POF. It is the way in which is laid out MO which will indicate the choice to us. If MO is waxing, we take ASC for hyleg ; if MO is waning, we take POF for hyleg,
It turns out that MO is waxing; so we will take ASC,
Now we must look for the alchocoden: it is the planet which has the maximum dignity with regard to the hyleg and which exchanges a Ptolemaic aspect with the hyleg.
If we see the ZODIACAL system, it turns out that we find none aspect to POF. if we consider the ZODIACAL system, we observe a sextil aspect of MA.
At the same time, it appears that MA has dignity of TRI over ASC.
So we have two possibilities with our hypothesis : first choose POF for hyleg with no alchocoden ; second choose the MUNDANE system and try to find another couple of hyleg/alchocoden,
(But, If we choose now POF we must know that Dorotheus and Al Qabisi, but no Ptolemy, agree with this choice, in the absence of the possibility of taking the ASC into account.)
In case of POF is the Hyleg, there are then two candidates to be alchocoden: MA and JU
First, MA is linked with POF by an sextil aspect and a TRI dignity,
However, MA is E and has a power of 6, MA has a Kadkhudah score of 1
MA is located at 270 at more than 5° (20,06°) from the next (succ) cusp
Now, we have to take account of the radix zodiacal aspects,
ME 120 MA: 3,33 JU 120 MA: 0,19
Without any change, we find with MA as Kadhkhudah : Y = 69,3 as a result of MA GREATER years
But as MA is E, following William Lilly in Christian astrology, p, 115 (London, 1647) on his table of Fortitudes and debilities, we remove 1/5 of his value, ie 0
So, zodiacal Y =69,3
In the upper chart we see that the nativity is diurnal (or nocturnal) and the moon is waxing (waning). This immediately makes it possible to orient the search for the hyleg towards SU or MO. We then seek the point which is both in Ptolemaic aspect and in dignity with the hyleg. This is the alchocoden. In the lower table, information is given on the alchocoden point (including dignity, power, retrograde, the house situation and especially the important fact of knowing if the alchocoden point is within 5° of the next cusp, in which case it must be removed (or added if he is retrograde) a certain number of degrees (life points).Finally, it may be necessary to add points depending on the place of JU and VE in relation to the upper meridian or the rising).
PRIMARY DIRECTIONS
DIRECTION : □SU conj SA
---------------------------------We must take into account an important element: the ascensional difference (DA); it can be observed on the graph in a dotted line (measured between the horizon and the axis of the pole). This is the difference between Right Ascension (AR) and Oblique Ascension (OA). This is the difference between Right Ascension (AR) and Oblique Ascension (OA). DA is always calculated in absolute value |DA| and it is added or subtracted from 90° (SA = 90° corresponds to a point on the equator cut by the horizon; depending on whether a star approaches or moves away from the line of horizon, SA is > 90° or < 90°, i,e, (+) depending on whether it is diurnal and northern ; or nocturnal and southern ; (-) depending on whether it is diurnal and southern ; or nocturnal and northern.
sin(DA) = -tan(φ)tan(δ)
φ = latitude 44,45 N
δ SA = 14,8 +
DA-SA = 15,02°
δ □SU =23,1 +
DA-□SU =24,73°
We will first use the Placidus system of mundane directions. The simplest system is that of Choisnard-Fomalhaut. First you need to retrieve the data from the SA (semi-arc) and the DM (meridian distance) of the nocturnal point because the altitude of SA is -10,42°. important note: the SA and DM of the two points are always counted diurnal if the first point (here SA) is above the horizon even if the second is below. They are counted nightly if the first point (SA) is below the horizon regardless of the position of the second point.
For DMs, they are counted in AR from the diurnal meridian if the fixed point SA is diurnal, and from the nocturnal meridian if it is nocturnal.
nocturnal meridian MC = 88,17°
AR SA = 146,75°
AR □SU = 78,59°
SA N (d+) SA = 74,98°
DM N SA = -58,58°
For the significator □SU altitude (h) =-21,89°. so :
SA N (δ+) □SU = 65,27°
DM N □SU = -9,58°
Then we compute Saf/DMf (so : SA f [ 74,98°] / DM f [ -58,58°])
Sa f / DM f =1,28
and the angle x = SAm x DM f/SA f, so : SA m [ 65,27°] x DM f [ -58,58°]/SA f [ 74,98°]
x = 50,99°
We find the direction by DMm - x, so : DM m [ -9,58°] ± x [50,99]
We must now have regard to the double ± sign of the last expression; in the case where f (SA) and m (□SU) are on either side of the meridian, the direction arc is obtained by taking the sum (instead of the difference) of the two quantities DMm and x. this is the case here so sign = (-)
the computation of the arc requires, depending on the case, a reduction of 360° (so arc modulo 360°)
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arc D =60,57°
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in the technical sense, It is a direct direction but in the astrological sense, it is a true converse direction since it is an aspect considered as a promissor which goes towards the significator. ; so the m point is an aspect (here □SU) and the f point is a planet or an axis, (here SA)
We can now compute the converse direction : point f is directed towards point m, i.e. the star is directed towards the aspect. This is where the problem of the orientation of the primum mobile arises because it is not concevable to rotate the local sphere in both directions… It does not seem convenient to postulate that the arc of direction is counted in the order of the signs of the zodiac (when it is direct, i.e. when one directs a promissor towards a significator): indeed, the ecliptic has nothing to do with a direction since this one depends only on the diurnal movement ( primum mobile). It is therefore otherwise that we must pass judgment on this.
That time, we compute Sa m / DM m (so : SA m [ 65,27°] / DM f [ -9,58°])
Sa m / DM m =0,38
and the angle x = SA f x DM m/SA m, so : SA f [ 74,98°] x DM m [ -9,58°] / SA m [ 65,27°]
x = 11,01°
We find the direction by DM f - x, so : DM f [ -58,58°] ± x [11,01°]
We must now have regard to the double ± sign of the last expression; in the case where m (□SU) and f (SA) are on either side of the meridian, the direction arc is obtained by taking the sum (instead of the difference) of the two quantities DM f and x. this is the case here : so, signe = (+)
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arc C =69,59°
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Now we can study the same direction with the Regiomontanus system. To obtain the arc of direction between two signifying points (planets in body, aspect versus planet, planet versus axis) one must find AO (oblique ascent) of f and of m, calculated under the pole of f.
The formulas to use can be found either in the Dictionnaire astrologique of Henri Joseph Gouchon (Dervy Livres, 1937) pp. 266-267, or in his Horoscope annuel simplifié (Dervy, 1973) p.181. Other formulas can be found in Les moyens de pronostic en astrologie, Max Duval (editions traditionnelles, 1986) and Domification et transits (Editions traditionnelles, 1985). We can also cite by André Boudineau : Les bases scientifiques de l’astrologie (Chacornac, 1937) These are references in French but there are many other references in English or German of a less obvious but equally valid use.
First, compute the ascensional difference under f (SA) : cot DAP f = (cot de f x cot lat) / in DM f ± cot DM f, i,e, : cot (DAP f) = (Cot dec f[14,8°] x Cot Lat [44,45°]) /sin DM f [58,58°] ± cot DM f [58,58°]
DAPf = 11,03°
We find the pole of f (SA) by formula : tan(pole f) = sin (DAP f) x cot (dec f) i,e, tan(pole f) = tan f [165,66°] x cot f [14,8°]
pole SA regio =43,15°
(1) We need now the DAP of m (□SU) under the pole of f, sin (DAP m) = tan (pole f) x tan (DEC m), i,e, : (SA) : sin (DAPm/f) = tan [43,16°] x tan [23,1°]
DAP m/f = 23,58°
then we find for the points located in the eastern part of the chart : AO f = AR f± DAP f ; sign (+) if Dec f boreal or sign (–) if Dec f Austral ; so : AO f SA = 161,1° and AO m = AR m ± DAP m ; idem for sign ; so AO m□SU = 102,16°
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arc D Regio = 58,93°
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We are now going to compute the converse Regiomontanus direction corresponding to the arc f SA / p □SU
First, compute the ascensional difference under m (□SU) : cot DAPm = (cot dec m x cot lat)/sin DM m ± cot DM m, i,e, : Cot(DAP m) = (Cot decm[23,1°] x Cot Lat [44,45°]) / Sin DM f [170,42°] ± Cot DM m [-9,58°]
DAP m = 177,18°
We find the pole of m (□SU) by formula : Tan(pole m) = Sin (DAP m) x Cot (dec m) i,e, Tan(pole m) = Sin m [6,76°] x Cot m [23,1°]
pole □SU regio =15,43°
We need now the DAP of f (SA) under the pole of m, Sin (DAP f) = Tan (pole m) x Tan (DEC f), i,e, : (□SU) : Sin (DAP f/m) = Tan[15,43°] x Tan [14,8°]
DAP f/m = 4,18°
then we find for the points located in the eastern part of the chart : AO m = AR m ± DAP m ; sign (+) if Dec m boreal or sign (–) if Dec m Austral ; so : AO m □SU = 85° and AO f = AR f ± DAP f ; idem for sign ; so AO f SA = 150,93°
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arc C Regio = 70,74°
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H.J. Gouchon [l’Horoscope Annuel simplifié, Dervy, 1973, p, 181-182 and Dictionnaire astrologique, p, 277, 1937-1942, Gouchon ed., 1975, Dervy, but be careful because in DAP's equation, the double sign ± was mistakenly replaced by the sign (-) ] advises to avoid errors, to always place the star A1 (for us f, i.e. SU) in the eastern houses; in fact it is enough to change the registration number of the house based on the transformation (IV-V-VI) -> (X-XI-XII) and (VII-VIII-IX) -> (I-II-III ) to adapt the double sign ± in the calculation of DAP f or DAP m; moreover, this sign must be reversed if |DM| > 90°.
For the Regiomontanus directions, there is another mode of computing, mentioned by Gouchon (Dictionnaire astrologique, op. cit., p. 276) and especially Martin Gansten (Primary directions, pp. 155-157, the Wessex Astrologer, 2009)
This method consists at computing first 3 auxiliary angles before the pole. It then joins the other method. Contrary to what Gouchon says, I find it easier than the previous one because we avoid the double sign ± in the determination of DAP f.
So, initially, we have A => Tan f = tan dec f [14,8°] / cos DM f [58,58°]
A = 26,88°
Then : B = Lat [44,45°] + A [-26,88°]
B = 71,33°
And, Tang C = Cot DM f [58,58°] x Cos B [71,33°] / Cos A [-26,88°]
C = -12,36°
Then, we have Sin pole f = Cos C [-12,36°] x Sin LG [44,45°]
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So, pole SA regio = 43,16°
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Now go back to (1)
For m □SU; we have : A => Tan m = tan dec m [23,1°] / cos DM m [-9,58°]
A = 23,39°
Then : B = Lat [44,45°] + A [-23,39°]
B = 67,84°
And, Tang C = Cot DM m [-9,58°] x Cos B [67,84°] / Cos A [-23,39°]
C = -67,67°
Then, we have Sin pole m = Cos C [-67,67°] x Sin LG [44,45°]
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So, pole □SU regio = 15,43°
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Now go back to (1)
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CJUMA orb 1,3 □SAVE orb -1,57 □MOMA orb -0,4
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Here appear the converse directions (in the ‘modern’ sense of the term) for the event corresponding to the year .1487, i.e. for planets or aspects 'moving' i.e. flowing from the West to the East, which we do not retain. Moreover, the question is not resolved (is it anyway?). We can consult Bouché-Leclerq on this (L’Astrologie Grecque, p. chap XII, p. 418 n. 2, 1899, Leroux), : 'The apheta once found, following laborious comparisons, it is necessary to determine the direction in which it launches life, to from its aphetic place; straight direction, i.e. conforming to the proper motion of the planets, when it follows the series of signs, retrograde when it follows the diurnal motion
We find in this last sentence what is perhaps the key to the question: indeed, when we say 'when the planets follow the order of the signs' it is a direct reference to the ecliptic which precisely has no nothing to do with diurnal motion. Now, it is precisely the examination of the diurnal movement which is at the base of the system of the primary directions. The 'retrograde direction' for its part refers expressly to the diurnal movement and is in conformity with the doctrine. We can therefore see that there was progressively, and particularly from the 18th century onwards, a nonsense which was introduced by considering the converse direction as an antenatal, whereas the retrograde direction is that of the primum mobile.
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